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Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:50:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Unsuccessful's Assistant wrote:Because the tactic was used against the op, it is deemed to be bad and gamebreaking.
Something tells me that if the op had thought of the tactic himself first, he would be flaunting it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. (Not that sliced bread is really that great.) I`ll have you understand that sliced bread totally IS awesome. It has the awesomeness of leading us to Sandwiches. How can you consider it not that great? As for the OP, my comment goes to the raven. GG well played.
Emergent food. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:55:00 -
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I love the sweet mission ganker tears though. |

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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:22:00 -
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I'm just curious what the problem is with bringing enough scrams to do the job. You know they can refit... "But I don't WANT to have to do that!" is not the same thing as 'The game is broken now'. The game is DIFFERENT now. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:23:00 -
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Or, an even cooler idea, don't attack people with mobile depots out because they're going to get away. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:35:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I'm just curious what the problem is with bringing enough scrams to do the job. You know they can refit... "But I don't WANT to have to do that!" is not the same thing as 'The game is broken now'. The game is DIFFERENT now. You realise that most tacklers only have max 4 mids if that, they usually need a prop mod, web, scram and some form of tank - .... And your 'don't attack ships if they have a mobile depot out' - speechless... EvE's New Carebearism doctrine at its finest.
Or you could bring friends.
"But I don't want to bring friends."
Or you could do any number of other things.
"But I don't want to do any number of other things. I want to do what I've always done, and now I can't. Boohoo."
The thing is, what are you expecting to have to do against a ship that's just equipped all its low slots with stabs? What kind of tank does it have, what kind of tank do you need when all it is trying to do is get away? Use your brain, figure out how to make a fit that can lock them down and kill them. Then it will be up to them to react to you again, and the game changes. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:57:00 -
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Getting away from you is PVP, you just suck at it.
Not to say you'll have to continue to suck at it, I assume as you learn you'll get better at it. Or you could blame all your problems on mobile depots. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:26:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Fail argument - Bring an heavy interdictor. Cause they can cloak in WH right? Won't work on T3s without focused. Fail argument - fit more scrams. So a tackler now needs to fit up to 4 scrams to tackle one ship. Fail argument - anchor a bubble. So we warp in, ask the guy to wait while we deploy a bubble and it anchors. Won't work on T3,s. Fail argument - bring friends. Because the only way we should be able to catch a single ship is by ganking them. Remember for each ship you'll need a focused interdictor or a tackler with at least 4 scrams, for 8 low slot ships one will need to be a +3 of course. Fail argument - put it into reinforced. It has 18k EHP. To reinforce it before he can right click and auto load his fit you're going to need about 3kdps. No. None of those arguments fail. Quite the opposite, in fact: they provide working and easily available solutions to the (non-)problem. Just beacause you can't or won't employ strategies that work doesn't mean the strategies are invalid. Quote:We need this depot fixed such that it cannot be used during combat. Why? You're fantastic as saying nothing while sounding like the authoritive voice of CCP. That's pretty much what you did there say nothing and pretend you provided an answer. All of those arguments fail. 1. You cannot fit more scrams than you have mid slots. This module removes any functionality that a interceptor has regarding CCP's supposed "they're supposed to intercept". Please Tippia, explain to me how any interceptor can intercept a ship that can fit more WCS than an inty can fit disruptors? Or do you think inties should fit scrams now and orbit at 10k? Even if they did, still not enough scrams. Tell me how we're supposed to jump into a renter system with a 10 large bubbles on a gate, tackle a ratter and stay alive long enough to keep him there with our 3 scrams, no prop mod, tank, cap injector? Do we now use 8 interceptors to tackle one battleship? Don't be foolish. How about when we have to tackle a carrier? Oh and what about that battleship that has 8 heavy neuts in his depot, or a bunch of ECM, or sensor damps, or RLML. 2. Was a joke, but its funny to see you say its a viable option. Yes, lets ask the target to sit around while our bubbles anchor :) 3. Bring friends... as I said above, every gang needs 8 interceptors now to tackle one ship? The very idea of actually small and solo pvp is so ludicrous we don't need it in the game right? Silly me after 10 years thinking I should be able to tackle a ship all by myself... 4. To put an 18k depot into reinforced in a tackling ship is impossible before the owner can click it and refit, it takes several seconds to refit. Which of these was different before the mobile depot? Well, yeah, they can change their fit in space now... but before, if they had fit those scrams before undocking, you still wouldn't be able to lock them down, right? So no difference. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:29:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:March rabbit wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I'm just curious what the problem is with bringing enough scrams to do the job. You know they can refit... "But I don't WANT to have to do that!" is not the same thing as 'The game is broken now'. The game is DIFFERENT now. You realise that most tacklers only have max 4 mids if that, they usually need a prop mod, web, scram and some form of tank - .... And your 'don't attack ships if they have a mobile depot out' - speechless... EvE's New Carebearism doctrine at its finest. Maybe you should bring a ship that is up to the task? I.e. choose a ship with more mid slots and/or a armor tanking ship. With 2 RF warp scramblers, the target needs to have 6 stabs fitted to warp away, why is that not an option? i like it how you advice to use 2x RF scramblers of tackler  looks like goons these days have no ideas about market prices.... and about pvp in general.... Is it real sign of Eve finally dumbed down?  Yeah those RF's will be great once the target fits the heavy neuts, 3 webs and a bunch of warrior II's from his depot... you can sell them and buy something nice for your ratting ship. Or you could wait for me to run out of cap since my inty is bonused for disruptors...
Okay, wait, I thought he was running away? Now your enemy is staying and fighting! Isn't that what you wanted? Why didn't you put together a fit that would kill someone who stays and fights? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:31:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Do you even play EvE?
Sorry, I thought we were talking about Hello Kitty online.
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Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:34:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Okay, wait, I thought he was running away? Now your enemy is staying and fighting! Isn't that what you wanted? Why didn't you put together a fit that would kill someone who stays and fights? welcome to pvp mate o/ (there is big secret no one ever speaks of: there are different fits for different purposes) Have fun and get some kills!
Dude, I know. But the problem is, they're complaining about people being able to put on different fits for different purposes as if they cannot do the same thing. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:43:00 -
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How much ship should you have to bring against a ship that is carrying around a mobile depot and 3 ship fits (rat, PVP, run away)? That's a lot of value should you succeed. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:21:00 -
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Stawp. Only ideas for avoiding getting killed, make them think of their own way to kill us. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:23:00 -
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Also, discussions like this are why I love EVE.
"Here is OP thing."
"It's not OP, you just have to do THIS to beat it."
There's always some way.
Also, the fact that MDs exist doesn't mean everyone's using it. Or that it makes sense for everyone to use it. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:25:00 -
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Hull tank. When they've gotten through your shields and armor, they'll think they've got you and stay and fight. Meanwhile, you kill them. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:26:00 -
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Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:35:00 -
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I know, I'm sorry, I'll stop offering solutions.
CCP should just nerf mobile depots. Make mobile depots not allow you to change your fit. It's the only way. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:43:00 -
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Oh, is there no way to tell when they're taking down their depot? That would make things more difficult. I was thinking DSCAN personally. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:57:00 -
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People using MDs - not crying.
People against people using MDs - crying
Totes unbalanced! |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:14:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Can I have your stuff before you leave for WoW?
(seriously, less QQ, more pewpew)
How can there be any pewpew when you can't catch anybody? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:26:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Also, you limited yourself to 2 Intys, 2 Cruisers. 1 Inty, 1 Dictor, 2 Cruisers is a much better option for the scenario of "trying to kill the most pathologically well prepared ratter in EVE". OHHH so now to catch a single ratting ship in eve we require an inty, a dictor and 2 cruisers minimum. No, to kill the most pathologically well prepared ratting battleship in the game, you probably need a Dictor, and maybe some other stuff. For the more normal well prepared ratting ship, who doesn't immediately drop an MD as soon as he lands on an anom, you just need to do ~18k damage in the first minute (300 average DPS). EDIT: My mistake, you only need to do ~3750 damage in the first 60s (62.5dps) Quote:I didn't fit inties with disruptors, CCP fit inties with disruptors. I just assembled an Inty hull. Where's my CCP-fitted disruptor?
Did you follow the instructions to the letter? Do you have any pieces remaining after assembly?
Have you tried turning it off and then back on again? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:29:00 -
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Isn't this still coming down to "A properly prepared opponent can get away before I can get them locked down"? Is that really not the way it should be?
If you set your sights on a target, you should just be able to lock them down? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:40:00 -
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Without this new mobile depot, there is no way to get away from your interceptor. Here's how it plays out without it:
Int hits local. Immediately start align/warp procedures to station. Int is on me and has locked me.
Does that seem right to you?
I'm watching local, doing my thing, and you can, from out of system, jump in and lock me down before I can react at all?
The battle shouldn't be a foregone conclusion like that. There needs to be an escape. Not to make it 'easy' to rat, but to make it 'possible' to get away. You're basically saying 'it is impossible to kill' but what you're asking for is to make it impossible to not kill. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:42:00 -
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They certainly add structure to the game. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:48:00 -
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Ot3ma wrote:I didn't bring a big enough bucket to collect the tears in this thread...
You should upgrade to L buckets. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:16:00 -
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Thirtythousand wrote:The mobile depot is very balance breaking. Drone ships now can use as many drones as can fit in cargo hold.
Most ships willing to sit near it no longer need to plan out a fit. Just bring whatever and fit what you need as needed. Breaking almost all solo ability in the favour of the "prepared."
It removes all the need to Make sacrifice. And Removes most of the risk.
PvP is hard. It's a balance game and takes weeks of practice to effectively solo. Pve in comparison is not so hard and easy. Making it safer in dangerous space is mind blowing.
The mobile depot has broken the balance with virtually no risk or loss.
The mobile depo is great. But does completely tilt the balance scale in the wrong way.
I no longer need to plan a way my ship works. Seriously anything that lets me go full disco ball in 5 seconds. Or fit max cap boosters and insta fill my cap to fully rep, then back to dps mods.... It's seriously broken. Bastion mode is a joke compared to how easy this has made missions. Not even including how broken it has made Pvp.
My fully wcs covops cheetahs is a choice I make at undock. Not mid fight on grid with NPC and PvP elements in Full swing. It needs to be limited to out of combat or some kind of limitation.
I think jester put it best; anything that's regarded as "if your not doing this your doing it wrong" is in need of a nerf.
If your not fighting next to your anchored mobile depo, your doing it wrong.
If you haven't put their mobile depot into reinforcement, you're doing it wrong. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:48:00 -
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Rhes wrote:You guys. Infinity is the same person who thinks structures shouldn't have reinforcement timers so that he can fly through nullsec by himself blowing up stuff with impunity. Easy mode indeed...
I do have a problem with being in combat with someone and not being able to destroy their mobile depot... while they're online... sitting right there... shooting at you... |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:59:00 -
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So now it's 'This fit should be perfect for killing EVERYONE EVERYTIME!'
If you're roaming solo and you have only 1 scram on there, then the mobile depot guy might not be the target for you. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:10:00 -
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But it's not helping MEEEEEEEEEE.... |

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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:30:00 -
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Yep. It's fine. You're assuming someone in space sitting next to a mobile depot who is reacting within seconds of you hitting local. I'm okay with that guy getting away. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:40:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: We don't post kills. They're still training up at the moment though. Only a month old. Insanity Claws, Bruiser Subjourne, Rasta Danyel, Derry Ayre, Sparky 'Sparks' Tyrell, Little Baltec (he's Baltecs and my Love Child!) and my lovely L Dopa gopher *****...
Be taking them to VFK shortly to practice on Goons...
Solo = an ISboxed bomber fleet? And did you just refer to you and your other accounts as "we"? Get some friends? noooooo I want to be solo. (so I'll get a bunch of accounts which is the same as a bunch of friends and NOT solo) What the hell did the goons do to you to create such a vendetta? You fell for the recruitment scam didn't ya...
Your avatar looks like Nic Hawk. |
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